AMD: Next CPU architecture will be completely different

Rumor has it that the new amd architecture will have thread fusing techology meaning 4 cpu's working on one thread instead of leaving the other cores to act idle. If they can pull this off before intel this could be an advantage for amd . but research is now going on Bactira about computers using Electro magnetic enregy(pulse) to taint the actions of bactera witch mean good bye Nm scaling hello living pc. Bacteria have been programmed to behave like computers, assembling themselves into complex shapes based on instructions stuffed into their genes. And there are pictures to prove it. The researchers programmed E. coli bacteria to emit red or green fluorescent light in response to a signal emitted from another set of E. coli. The living cells were commanded to make a bull's-eye pattern, for example, around central cells based on communication between the bacteria. Other patterns produced with this new "synthetic biology" technique include a pretty good semblance of a heart and a rudimentary flower pattern. The work was led by Ron Weiss, an assistant professor of electrical engineering and molecular biology at Princeton University. Weiss and his colleagues engineer a special segment of DNA, the blueprints for any cell's operations. The segment is called a plasmid. "You have a segment of DNA that dictates when proteins should be made and under what conditions," Weiss told LiveScience. The plasmid is inserted into a cell, and "the cell then executes the set of instructions." While most real-world applications of the technique are likely many years away, Weiss said it might be used in three to five years In a paper March 8 in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, another team led by Weiss showed they could insert DNA into cells to make them behave like digital circuits. The cells could be made to perform basic mathematical logic. The latest work expands this concept to vast numbers of bacteria responding in concert."Here we're showing an integrated package where the cells have an ability to send messages and other cells have the ability to act on these messages Basically my point is Amd is not out of the race yet its just about who has the first break through in hyper thread fusing and Bactera alterations. And im voting for AMD

Comment by Goth_Cloud at 8:07pm 21st November 2008

Be it a radical new design or one at least on par with an Intel offering, we need AMD to be in the game of producing our PC processors, if they are not there who is going to be the competition who keep the cost of computing down to an affordable level for everyone? Its the fact that AMD have products now that on a general level compete with Intel that we have seen the recent price cuts by Intel on their mid range quads, it was the product from AMD the spurred on Intel to redesign their P4 chips to come up with Core 2, so even if you are a devout Intel user you have benefited from AMD's participation in processor development. If AMD were to vanish from the market the processors available to all of us will increase in price significantly. I think AMD are in the best position to know were they need to be and what changes they need to make in their processor design to stay viable, however I do think the rush to ever increasing processor speed and processing power is not necessary for the mainstream user, for most of us affordable, capable and low energy computing is of more importance than raw power. Of course there is a need for the cutting edge platform, and for those the user will have to pay (and do) a premium where AMD is not represented.

Comment by DIYDick69 at 4:11pm 7th May 2008

You're indeed right - but I think in the short term tweaks and improvements are a far more beneficial solution. Although you're right in saying we have been using old tech (come on guys move on from silicon!) for the past 20 years. Glad to hear support for the engineers!

Comment by annonymouse at 4:08am 5th May 2008

Bring it on!!!

Comment by l3v1ck at 8:03pm 3rd May 2008

well now i am just wishing it existed, because i am looking at the next Case i want, but i wanna see the chassis inside, and get an idea on what the airflow would be like, and the only selling point i have seen in any cases so far which my current case doesn't have is a hydrolic door, and any cases that you can tell have good airflow just look rediculous with a gigantic fan on the front... if only 3D web was a standard already...

Comment by NikoBellic at 7:41pm 3rd May 2008

i keep going back to all the processors i have bought from each brand, maybe the current amd processor is comparable to the intels god awfull Pentium 4 series which they redrafted numerous times, but still comparing the current cpu by amd to that god awfull series by intel, the intel series had wayy too many common faults while the am2 series has only one "perfomance" but the one thing am2 does beat intel in all the time is Budget, so i dont believe the hype that amd is dead, i am quite happy to amd design a cpu that is 4 times as big, just so long as its cheaper, has better perfomance that previous chips, even a fraction is good, and is not prone to any problems, they can have the top layer of the heatsink on the cpu a copper alloy or some other nonsense, will still make it more appealing than intel coz of intels overkill price's

Comment by Jack_Nikopol at 4:02pm 2nd May 2008

Any such new technology or achievement in physics/electromagnetics/materials science/atomic physics/quantum understanding will require other already existing technologies. This is so because there is a universal law which says: Technology follows consciousness. That is, advances in science occur when people are willing to accept the answers that are in front of them. The answers are ever there, we simply must be ready for them. Thus, when we do take the next step in, say, cpu process technology, its implementation will no doubt require substantial existing technology to support that edge of the technology/consciousness envelope. So you see, there is room for all of us.

Comment by rocketman0441 at 5:41am 2nd May 2008

Typical scientists comment... Yes lets always think of the brand spanking new idea and implement that as it's a much better way of doing things in an amazing and innovative way. What you've said is 100% true, but don't belittle the work of the engineers who actually have to *implement* the theories and works. Science would be nothing without the unsung heroes who actually apply science to the real world - which means the "boring" optimizing, restructuring and new thinking involved in dragging scientific theories to newer and newer levels of performance to actually being useful. The truth of the matter is that new ideas are few and far between - how many *radically* new ways of thinking have their been in the past 10-20 years that haven't just built on our combined similar ideas? (String theory doesn't count - as I'd seriously like to see anything other than metaphysical applications of it). I honestly hate people who believe that there is no innovation in improving current technologies and think it a "lesser" science. It's like waiting for a silver bullet for global warming - rather than just changing lifestyles or using *current* technology to improve efficiency. Wave your hands and say "the engineers will sort out the details" without acknowledging that that is half the battle. I'm not saying scientific innovation is without merit - far from it, but to lower it's stature from engineering is wrong. Now to revise for that engineering test tomorrow....

Comment by annonymouse at 11:18pm 1st May 2008

And oh yeah, doing something fundamentally different may very well be just as accessible to AMD as it would be to Intel and that's exciting. So you see, looking at the bright side is merely looking truthfully.

Comment by rocketman0441 at 10:08pm 1st May 2008

Hello. Some years ago in the Summer of 1990, I believe, I was in a mathematics class at the University of Oklahoma and we found ourselves discussing what new developments in mathematics would look like. There were only three of us, myself and another grad student and the professor. I argued that any real new development would come from going back down to the fundamentals of mathematics and doing something different. I have always thought that the biggest discoveries will come from the smallest things. I have confirmation of this which I will keep to myself for now but regarding a new cpu architecture, I feel the same way. I hope someone at AMD knows this also. Fundamentally, a cpu is all about executing instructions. There is no real intelligence there other than smart ways of executing instructions. Can hardware do more than just execute instructions? This, I believe, is where the real advances will come, hardware doing something more than simply executing a program. Quantum computing is an idea in the right direction although I do not have an understanding of what that will be beyond that it does something fundamentally different. The fundamentally different process must occur at the hardware level as doing so in software will be merely a smarter way of doing fundamentally the same processes. Now, this is arguable, in my current mind. My point is that the computer must fundamentally engage the universe in a different way. The linear process of executing instructions is very valuable but needs to overlay a richer processes occurring at the hardware level. This idea, then, is what I believe will lead to the next generation of computer. And by next generation I mean qualitatively next generation, not the same but faster.

Comment by rocketman0441 at 9:51pm 1st May 2008

Hello. Some years ago in the Summer of 1990, I believe, I was in a mathematics class at the University of Oklahoma and we found ourselves discussing what new developments in mathematics would look like. There were only three of us, myself and another grad student and the professor. I argued that any real new development would come from going back down to the fundamentals of mathematics and doing something different. I have always thought that the biggest discoveries will come from the smallest things. I have confirmation of this which I will keep to myself for now but regarding a new cpu architecture, I feel the same way. I hope someone at AMD knows this also. Fundamentally, a cpu is all about executing instructions. There is no real intelligence there other than smart ways of executing instructions. Can hardware do more than just execute instructions? This, I believe, is where the real advances will come, hardware doing something more than simply executing a program. Quantum computing is an idea in the right direction although I do not have an understanding of what that will be beyond that it does something fundamentally different. The fundamentally different process must occur at the hardware level as doing so in software will be merely a smarter way of doing fundamentally the same processes. Now, this is arguable, in my current mind. My point is that the computer must fundamentally engage the universe in a different way. The linear process of executing instructions is very valuable but needs to overlay a richer processes occurring at the hardware level. This idea, then, is what I believe will lead to the next generation of computer. And by next generation I mean qualitatively next generation, not the same but faster.

Comment by rocketman0441 at 9:51pm 1st May 2008

Are they really? For some dramatic reason the one hair on my toe actually flinched at the thought ! ............... Why didnt they do this sooner? Ugh

Comment by Lightning_Pete at 8:24am 1st May 2008

well i think that, some of use guys have decided on here, that the future of the web is not totally 3D, but you will have the option to click on a picture or something which would take you to a 3D view of that product, so it wouldn't really affect you, because you could still just look at the jpeg image instead, but there would always be the option for the broadband users too!... i am hoping that CPC may do a story about broadbands future and what it looks like for the speed of the internet in the UK (i use Virgin Media so i wouldn't mind having this 50 meg BB they are on about).

Comment by NikoBellic at 8:36pm 30th April 2008

dont do high detail web pages with high graphics etc. i live in the country and we got 56k speed ! my connection coudlnt handle it

Comment by higson92 at 2:26pm 30th April 2008

Despite the naysayers, this could signal the start of soemthing good. When Intel were being beated by AMD they went back to the drawing board and brought us Core2. What if AMD are about to make a similar leap?

Comment by NotFred at 12:41pm 30th April 2008

my earlier comment of the 'F' letter which i apologise for and i am very sorry about that

Comment by NikoBellic at 11:13am 30th April 2008

Thanks Ben. I will contact you shortly, but I feel I should say that I did contact two other Custom PC representatives directly as your email address was not listed on the 'About Custom PC' page.

After my original emails, the comment in question remained while others were edited.

Comment by cjagusz at 8:32am 30th April 2008

If AMD can survive long enough.....I would like them to stop showing 3GHZ products (granted they did not claim all Phenoms would) which can barely handle 2.7/8. I would like to see a more efficient system made from scratch. Dynamic/ instantaneous sharing of resources. Low TDP High overclock. .....Other thoughts....from what I have read around the net they have massive internal problems..as in people are lazy and have become complacent. I would love for them to compete with Intel. I like choices they lower prices. The fact is INTEl puts bread on the table

Comment by lopopo at 3:55am 30th April 2008

and i apologise to everyone that i had upset/offended, but on a good note, yeah i do think that the whole internet being 3D would be too far, but i still think that the whole idea of having a proper look at what your buying close up in 3D would be good... maybe we could look at the next AMD architecture close up lol.

Comment by NikoBellic at 3:21am 30th April 2008

LMAO! yeh that'd be good, my tea gets cold alot while I'm working so a cup warmer would be great. Maybe they've been taken aback by all the terrible behaviour that's happened in the UK lately and vowed to cut gun-crime, drug use and maybe...just maybe...find Obama, sorry Osama. Maybe AMD's new CPU's are going to address the business inefficiencies, financial problems and setbacks of microprocessor corporations ...oh hang on that's wrong! . Nico, you actually made a good point when you went on your rant there. Not everyone CAN get to the shops and some are just downright lazy. I don't think the game box viewing would benefit hugely from 3D rotating etc, especially when you can just download/order a demo or get it on the cover of a mag...like...Custom PC :p. Or maybe game websites can have box front/backs on the game's sub-site? for certain things though, it would be quite useful - although I also agree the Nokia version is a bit gimmicky as it's only a drawing of the phone and doesn't show things like where the memory card goes... Unfortunately I was born in the 80s so f'offing back to the 70s is a bit impossible. Lighten up and have a bit more humour as I do write with my tongue in my cheek half of the time. The only way a 3D internerd would be any good is if it's like the computers in The Minority Report...Now THAT'S progress!

Comment by EdArch at 11:26pm 29th April 2008

well, this is going to be an interesting effort, on one hand; amd has gone so long with the same design base that they may not be prepared for the development of a whole new architecture, especially after their bugetary issues. on the other hand; mad has allways been the real innovator of the two companies, if anyone is going to make a real killer product, it will be amd. i would like to see some of ati's design traits brought into amd's processors, higher efficiency out of the smaller components, resulting in a superior whole, that is one thing ati has done well in the past imo, so amd should try for the same. i wont go on one of my usual rant's about how amd wount die and neither will intel, instead i will just leave fate to prove the newbs wrong. i personally see amd recovering by 2010, 2011 at the latest, if they are not back and going strong by then, i will be worryed, but processors are enormously complex little devices that take a long time to design from the bottomb up, we will not see an sudden leap in performance out of amd this year or the next, but after that we will see. i doubt very much that amd will release a new design without being sure that it can beat intel's offerings, i just hope they are up to the task of moving a completely new architecture into mass production, intel had size going for it, amd is a big company, but they will be pushing themselves on the R 'n D costs already.

Comment by yougotkicked at 11:02pm 29th April 2008

I've edited that comment on the Creative story now cjagusz, although I didn't know it was there until you brought it up. I suggest you report any complaints about comments directly to me (ben@custompc.co.uk) in the future, and I'll sort them out.

Comment by Ben Hardwidge at 11:01am 29th April 2008

just for a change, just for cynics like me, wouldn't it be refreshing if the problem that ‘we think can never be addressed by hardware?’ that they chose to address was to get it out on time? Mind you, he never said what "on time" was likely to mean, either.

Comment by qwerty at 10:46pm 29th April 2008

Looks like I broke the page by not closing italics.

Still.... highlights another issue with the site. :-)

Sorry.

Comment by cjagusz at 9:15pm 29th April 2008

.... are quite common here for some reason. (Linked by age perhaps?) Comments like "go and F'Off the internet" are all over the place and despite at least three complaints from me one post whose content has no place here has yet to be removed.... it contains.... ***deleted by moderator*** Still, perhaps there's something more important that isn't being addressed. Oh, and there is a portable gaming platform which already has 'the whole of the UK on it' and allows you to interact realistically with your 3D pefect surroundings. You wear it over your eys and yes, it does look like a pair of sunglasses, but..... and i think that almost every gamers dream is to have a new version of GTA with the whole world on it someday before they die<p>.... yeah, just imagine the fun that could be had crossing oceans on a jet-ski in real-time. Yawn. :-)

Comment by cjagusz at 9:00pm 29th April 2008

Thats the most amazing quote i have ever seen. im gonna go with "run hot enough to boil a cup of tea on."

Comment by TBallS at 7:40pm 29th April 2008

There is no need to start disrespecting people. As for 3D rotating images, you already have things like that using Flash. Just look at the NSeries section on the Nokia website. Spend 5 mins on there and you will see its a gimmick, nothing more. If you want to see what things really look like, why don't you take your own advice and go back in to the real world and have a look for yourself.

Comment by PokerMuppet at 6:23pm 29th April 2008

*EdArch* - Very well said, A good website is based on good content, not just the look of the site. Thats why the best books have no pictures and kiddie books are pop-ups. Not to mention that the web is there for EVERYONE, not just people with high end gaming machines. *NikoBellic* - The recent price drops are in relation to the fact that tomorrow (30th April) sees the official launch of Intel's new line of CPU's and they are clearing old stock that they have already made their profits from. There are certain bands that just do not change over the years. Low end graphics = Sub £100, Mid range graphics = £100-£200, High end graphics = £200+. The same goes for CPU technologies. Low end CPU = Sub £100, Mid range CPU = £100-£200, High end CPU = £200+. When a technology gets updated, the current High end gets cut down to be in line with the bracket below and so on with the rest. Compitition seems to push technology forward, not the prices down.

Comment by PokerMuppet at 5:50pm 29th April 2008

i was explaining something that would be nice to have on a few web pages, which would be more interesting than the "A4" webpage, and i would love the possibillity to go onto a webpage of somethings im gonna buy, and spin it around to have a look at it, maybe something like a PS3/360, a new game, a new HDTV, a new item out of the argos catalogue ect... and we would get a better look at what we are interested in... but if you are too interested in going back to the 70's then go and F'Off the internet, we didn't have it back then!!!

Comment by NikoBellic at 5:40pm 29th April 2008

knew there was a reason for me being on this page! Yes I'd love to see AMD go past 45nm for a start, they've worked with IBM on reducing die-sizes down 32nm or even 24nm which would be mpressive. As far as improvements go, I'd like low latency cache at all levels - and more of it. I agree with CPC_RedDawn. PC's are used in thousands of industries from telecommunications to designing aircraft carriers and buildings to web content, movies, scientific analysis, Formula1 engineers and everything else. So I'd prefer to have a CPU that just works extremely well, doesn't need its own nuclear reactor to run, doesn't heat your room up to sub-sahara temperatures, and has a good number of cores (4/6/8?). Oh and not costing a Northern Rock would be good too (ie; not £500 for a desktop model)

Comment by EdArch at 5:20pm 29th April 2008

I'm really not holding my breath for this. We will have to see what comes out. Personally I see a distinct simularity between the recent AMD releases targeted at the surpassed Q6600 with nothing to compete higher up, and the recent ATi releases that one again could only compete with the mid range offers from NVidia and again with nothing to compete higher up. I remember when AMD released the Athlon and the following AMD64 technologies, Intel were honest in saying that (at the time) their current CPU's were based on faster and faster clocks and followed that up with 'It may take a bit of time but we have gone back to the drawing board for a complete new design in architecture'. A few years later we got Core2 and just as Intel promised, it was new. AMD however, seem to keep on with these wild promises of what the next gen will be able to do. So far... I'm still waiting.

Comment by PokerMuppet at 5:37pm 29th April 2008

I am now really Hoping that, VIA will hurry up and join the competition with intel and AMD because we need some competition, just look at how much intel could lower thier prices recently, now if VIA and AMD could make some decent CPU's we may all be in luck for bigger price drops... c'mon VIA, show us what you got!!!

Comment by NikoBellic at 5:36pm 29th April 2008

So Nico wants to turn the web into a FPS - high resolution textures? you mean the backgrounds on web pages? and poly models of what? Wiki3Dpedia? not many websites would be better in 3D, the same as not many newspapers would be better in 3D (I'm sure you can guess which newspapers would though :)) and if you want to play an good FPS that looks like its in the real world - go paintballing! A good driving game that look like the real world? Red Letter days do good supercar days...same as the new ultra realistic flight-sim...getting apilots licence. If you want real-world - go out into the real world. I'm not being pessimistic here, wonderful visuals are lovely as are stunning surround-sound and physics and gameplay. ut the idea of Games is they are 'realistic interpretations' of a particular activity or just a bit of fun. You can be competitive about them but they are just games. Computers are meant to be additions to our lives and our world, not a replacement for them. There are alot of websites out there that use fancy flash to make their websites look better then they are. And flash is annoying becuae you can't right-click and save interesting images to your PC. What you're talking about, with exploding page-titles and alien font's running around shooting images whie Mario drives around the mouse cursor is another step forward in something that would seem interesting but wouldn't actually make the web that much better - it would (at best) just make it look better, and (at worst) make it annoying and impossible. Do you really want the Halifax man, in 3D, in your hotmail...following your mouse around on a surfboard? didn't think so. BTW how many more people do you want on the internet and why? everyone in the developed world has access to it somehow and I doubt WCC's would suddenly say "oh look we've got 4billion people on the web, let's roll out WebXP and suddenly the web is an FPS and you have to own a completely new program - like 3DS for example - just to view the web. It'd be fun for about a week then it would just be annoying.

Comment by EdArch at 5:20pm 29th April 2008

Well what ever they do I hope they give Intel some sort of run for the money. Hopefully will AMD have something in place by late autumn when I will afford my next upgrade... so my AMD X2 better last a bit longer ;).

Comment by jonisaksson at 5:18pm 29th April 2008

With core 2 intel released an architecture to beat AMD. They are now finalizing their next architecture with Nehalem which is going to give a similar performance jump as was gained from netburst to core 2. And what do we get from AMD secret pipe dreams. They have only just got phenom out properly...sort of. They are still going to shrink that to 45nm next year....and hush we are going to release a world beating architecture... belive it when I see it if your company lasts out the year.

Comment by technogiant at 2:38pm 29th April 2008

I'm hoping AMD's new architecture will sort out bad hair days, the fact that there aren't enough waking hours, and the lack of plumber availability on a weekend.

Comment by jdmorris1 at 12:36pm 29th April 2008

I am hoping the AMD CPU will make sense of the series 'LOST,' pinpoint where Shergar is buried and what happened to Lord Lucan. In addition a simple explanation of the Ontological argument for the existence of God should be a reasonable expectation since this has been around for a while. lastly if we do not get the secret formulas for KFC and Coca Cola then my only hope is to go back to my ZX-80.

Comment by kevjoejor at 1:26pm 29th April 2008

You left out World Peace... As long as AMD delivers this wonderchip in the AM2+ socket, then great, I might buy another board for one. Otherwise the ATi side of the company will still recover first if it's just sales talk.

Comment by KHenry_07 at 1:28pm 29th April 2008

Could the mention of problems not thought possible to be solved by hardware be relating to a way of using multiple cores without the need to code programs/games/OS's to use them??? That would make multiple cores far more usable and reduce coding. It would also fix problems that will arise as more and more cores are added. Just a a thought!

Comment by robertboekee at 1:09pm 29th April 2008

I hope they consontrate on PC usage as a whole. I would like a good all round performer. Much like the Core 2 series which performs well in all areas that PC's are used for. Such as games, video encoding, photo editing, faster compression rate, and faster data caching for a more responsive desktop enviroment. I would prefer buying a CPU that I know will perform well in everything I want to throw at it.

Comment by CPC_RedDawn at 12:41pm 29th April 2008

If only!!!

Comment by NikoBellic at 12:42pm 29th April 2008

im hoping thaqt they concentrate on gaming more than anything else, and not just for the sake of gaming, but morely due to the fact that, if we get more better physics and better things that you just couldn't do without a powerful CPU, then that may make the web a bit more of a fancy/stylish place to be, and maybe we'll see web pages that take advantage of physics, HDR, high resolution textures and even high poly models, which would brig us that one step closer to getting 3D web pages and 3D links to click on, and i know that this may sound slightly crazy, but this may actually make the internet a much more attractive place for new comers who aren't really into the whole idea of web pages that just look like a peice of A4 paper with links on it, and if we can get more people onto the internet, then maybe we will see this more high powered technology come along even faster than it already is, and i am hoping that by 2020 that you could pick up a game that looks like you are in the real world, and maybe has the whole of the UK on it, and maybe by 2030, the whole of the world, and i think that almost every gamers dream is to have a new version of GTA with the whole world on it someday before they die.

Comment by NikoBellic at 12:15pm 29th April 2008

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