DirectX 11 will be compatible with DirectX 10 hardware

I will wait for Windows 7 release out around in 2009 to 2010. I need know make sure old program - MS Office 2003, Aol Instant Messenger 5.5 or 5.9, all older/newer PC games, all older/newer programs must work on Windows 7. Put Windows XP and Vista Compitable together. Also compitable with Windows 95 to XP to bring back on Windows 7 to keep running stable than Vista have problems. DirectX 11 will be compitable with older DirectX to 9.0c. I must add this rule for Windows 7. We want old games and programs back on Windows 7 to make us very happy. I have hard time to read all NEWS on Google and make me headache really bad. Please bring all old programs and games back for our favorite memories on Windows 7 now! Don’t make people complaint! Period! If Microsoft don't do it. People will sue them without warning! People now keep watching on Microsoft what they discuss about Windows 7 info. People can make rules against Microsoft, if Microsoft made any mistake and Microsoft will get fired by a lot of people! Example: If Microsoft get fired, we can stay on Windows XP, Vista and maybe Windows 7 operating system forever(many years)!

Comment by guest1986 at 10:32am 16th August 2008

I'm still not convinced crysis can be used to judge dx10... it may claim to be dx10, but given that most of the very high settings can (and have) been enabled in XP then it can't be using dx10 for a lot of its flashy effects. The game has clearly been written in dx9 and then had a few dx10 trimmings added in... if it doesn't use dx10 as a basis for its development then i doubt it uses it to its optimum

Comment by NewParadigm at 4:09pm 24th July 2008

A lot of people will have machines which came with XP, and (quite rightly), will find that to keep them running what they need they only need to upgrade the graphics card. These people have no real reason to move to Vista until they do a major upgrade. DirectX 9.0c ran on 98 up to XP. If it's true that directx10 required asuch a massive overhaul of the system that it is impossible to roll it out for XP the nfair enough.. .but if it can run on XP MS have really stilted development of Dx10 games as its much easier for a game to say it requires dx10 when you can just bundle the dx10 installer on the cd and know it will work with most people's operating systems... just like they did with dx 9. Lets face it companies want to sell as many of their products as possible... they wont do something that immediately precludes a proportion (even if its not the majority) of people from using it.

Comment by NewParadigm at 3:43pm 24th July 2008

1 - You should have researched before you installed Vista and dualbooting with XP is more hassle than it is worth, XP was the same with 98. 2 - You spent £10 on a codec to use PowerDVD? What the hell for? That's why Windows Media Center is there for. 3 - You can turn off the 'popups' which is part of the UAC system - again you should research more. 4 - Your Ambx speakers are not working because the company are bunch of lazy sh*ts, that's not Vista's problem, it is theirs. So all in all your theories and reasons are illinformed and impractical. This is why Vista still gets bad feedback, because of people who are to lazy to fix or search for things. When you put bread in a toaster do you expect it too cook automatically? No, you have to turn it on, set the time THEN use it. It's the same for Vista, install the drivers, find the reasons for not working, fix it, use it.

Comment by C7ouD at 3:51pm 24th July 2008

after reading the comments below i feel compeled to let you know why i hate vista with a passion and will hopefully never need to use it, thought id try installing vista in my main rig on a seperate hard drive alongside xp so i could dual boot depending on gaming performance, 1 - vista apparently wipes your old boot.ini so i lost my full xp installation on a seperate drive may i add! 2 - finally got it up and running, oh wait my x-fi doesnt work properly! 3 - oh dear im getting sick of these damn pop ups everytime i click something! 4 - my £200 Ambx speakers dont work even after downloading vista specific drivers! 5 - oh yeah i had to buy a vista specific dvd player codec so powerdvd got another tenner from me! moral of the story is vista just too much hassle for me and many others not too mention a lot slower!

Comment by garrynicol69 at 3:42pm 24th July 2008

I'm sure they aren't selling XP anymore other than OEM versions. Aria.co.uk are selling XP Pro 32/64 bit for £71.95/70.95 +Vat, Vista Ultimate 32/64bit is 92.95/91.95 +Vat. Yes 32bit is a £1 more. If you go for Vista Business it's the same price as XP. Vista Home Premium 32/64 bit is only 51.85/51.95 +Vat. No excuse anymore.

Comment by crazyceo at 3:12pm 24th July 2008

XP is dead - and thank god for that, it was a crummy subtitute for Windows 2000 with a facelift. Vista is the future, along with this, 'Windows 7'. If I had my way, I would remove XP from the shelves, anyone who is interested in upgrading to a new PC has no reason to not use Vista.

Comment by C7ouD at 2:22pm 24th July 2008

I'm sorry but whats the point in MS stepping backwards even more to accommodate XP. XP no longer has an infinite life span. I know! let's get DX10 for the guys and gals using Windows 2000 or ME and even Windows 98. I'm sure we can find a few more still using those OS's. As quoted earlier, we spend all this money on new Ram, CPU, Motherboards, Cases, GPU's, HDD's, PSU, etc, etc....but we install XP! Why? When every major manufacturer has geared all of their current and future products on the latest OS. Yes, we can all still hold on to our comfort blanky called XP but sooner or later, your mum's (Microsoft) gonna go off and pretend to wash it but put it in the bin instead.

Comment by crazyceo at 11:17am 24th July 2008

They need to get DX10 working on XP for the whole industry to take it up. About 10% of most peoples PC's run DX10 so thats a 90% profit loss for making a DX10 game. Only when DX10 is running on XP will things get better.

Comment by pgk119 at 9:19am 24th July 2008

They need to get DX10 working on XP for the whole industry to take it up. About 10% of most peoples PC's run DX10 so thats a 90% profit loss for making a DX10 game. Only when DX10 is running on XP will things get better.

Comment by pgk119 at 9:19am 24th July 2008

They need to get DX10 working on XP for the whole industry to take it up. About 10% of most peoples PC's run DX10 so thats a 90% profit loss for making a DX10 game. Only when DX10 is running on XP will things get better.

Comment by pgk119 at 9:19am 24th July 2008

misguidedly as in upgraded to Vista and DX10 to play games and not misguided in choice of graphics card altho some of you would agree with second option !

Comment by rabbiehippo at 11:49pm 23rd July 2008

i dunno why ppl are moaning about having to buy Vista in order to run DX10. For years i used XP, shiver me timbers ....... and realized id have to upgrade (maybe misguidedly) in order to upgrade my GPU to an ATI 3870 . But whats all the fuss ... your all quite happy when motherboards,memory and CPU's change so you cant just upgrade one thing (the old man thinks its an industry conspiracy :) ...) so why complain with having to shell out 50 squid on an operating system. Good thing that DX11 will work with what ive got tho .

Comment by rabbiehippo at 11:47pm 23rd July 2008

i dunno why ppl are moaning about having to buy Vista in order to run DX10. For years i used XP, shiver me timbers ....... and realized id have to upgrade (maybe misguidedly) in order to upgrade my GPU to an ATI 3870 . But whats all the fuss ... your all quite happy when motherboards,memory and CPU's change so you cant just upgrade one thing (the old man thinks its an industry conspiracy :) ...) so why complain with having to shell out 50 squid on an operating system. Good thing that DX11 will work with what ive got tho .

Comment by rabbiehippo at 11:47pm 23rd July 2008

A real step in the right direction, especially with the backwards compatibility and the GPGPU/multi-core idea, seems they've looked at patches like Gelato and thought it would be a good idea to be able to utilise GPGPU across the board on any program you want, which would be a great thing to happen! BUT IT'S GOTTA HAVE MORE COWBELL, BABY!

Comment by EdArch at 11:11pm 23rd July 2008

we need to look at performance of direct x, but all the while producers are making dx 9 games and porting them to 10, 10.1, 11 or whatever version we are on, performance is always going to suffer, or at best not improve.

Comment by NewParadigm at 10:24pm 23rd July 2008

yeah... MS really screwed themselves over refusing to release DX10 on XP... a lot of people on XP have hardware capable of running dx10... but by not giving it to them they have stunted the take-up by games producers. Idiots

Comment by NewParadigm at 8:19pm 23rd July 2008

I'm glad to see they've learned from the mistakes of DX10. Forcing people to upgrade their OS wasn't very popular and people are still angry about that, especially since DX10 proved to be such a frame rate killer.

Comment by l3v1ck at 6:17pm 23rd July 2008

Well we would have to wait the best part o 2-3 years for that too happen. Game developers are not going to make Direct X 10 only games when Windows XP is still the dominant operating system, arn't they? No, the answer is we DO need to look on what Direct X performance is like when it is implemented into a game.

Comment by C7ouD at 6:05pm 23rd July 2008

That FarCry 2 will actually support DX10 and not just be another performance hogger like the rest... although I'm sure it'll never happen :(

Comment by NikoBellic at 5:11pm 23rd July 2008

I think the continuity between DX10 and 11 shows that Microsoft intends 10 to be a first step towards a next generation of games, and while that means it will be ages until we see large numbers of DX10 based games, they have greatly increased the chance developers will use 10 and 11 by emphasising the links between the two.

Comment by Sifter3000 at 5:13pm 23rd July 2008

I'd hold judgement on the worth of dx10, and 10.1 until someone actually makes a game thats dx10 based. i.e. not built in dx 9 then made compatible with dx10

Comment by NewParadigm at 4:36pm 23rd July 2008

Apparently the standardised way of anti-aliasing providing good performance benefits when it was implemented in Assassins creed... I couldn't verify that though as I dont have a 10.1 card or Assassins creed (too many people told me it got boring too quickly for me to bother buying it)

Comment by NewParadigm at 4:36pm 23rd July 2008

I think you were right first time

Comment by lxstuart at 4:19pm 23rd July 2008

if its software differences couldnt a driver update make the 260/280 10.1 compliant?

Comment by NewParadigm at 3:53pm 23rd July 2008

It's one louder than 10 isn't it!*

Comment by crazyceo at 3:41pm 23rd July 2008

It's one louder than 10 isn't!

Comment by crazyceo at 3:39pm 23rd July 2008

direct x 10 hardware can only just run direct x 10 nevermind 11 probably be incredibly slow especially on an old 8800 gts 320mb like mine............

Comment by eddie543 at 2:29pm 23rd July 2008

Software, tbh.

Comment by C7ouD at 1:53pm 23rd July 2008

do rather beg the question, "what hardware requirements are different between dx10 and 10.1, or is it just a software/driver issue?"

Comment by NewParadigm at 1:22pm 23rd July 2008

Trust CPC to crowbar in a reference to Spinal Tap. LOL

Comment by Spreadie at 12:21pm 23rd July 2008

so it works on XP :D

Comment by jonisaksson at 12:22pm 23rd July 2008

To DXX1 Good to know they are looking at how they can change the API to accomodate 'legacy' hardware though

Comment by finlay666uk at 12:28pm 23rd July 2008

Have any of you heard about GFWLive being completely free soon?, I think its about time that M$ started listening to what PC Gamers wanted again... Welll, I'm gonna have a try of an old GFWL game to see if its true!

Comment by NikoBellic at 12:10pm 23rd July 2008

This is GREAT! It has totally changed my upgrade plan this week.. :D

Comment by C7ouD at 11:59am 23rd July 2008

I agrre with you in part but they need more than just a new version release. They (Microsoft) need developers to take whatever version of DX to heart and bring out games designed for it. There is no point in having Hardware and programming software that can do 'this' or 'that' when the games are mainly based on older tech.

Comment by PokerMuppet at 11:52am 23rd July 2008

Needs more cowbell.

Comment by Sifter3000 at 11:35am 23rd July 2008

Even when they've fixed all of their bugs in their software, they know everyones still gonna slate it, Just like everyone still says Vista is sh*t when 95% of them people have never tried it for longer than 1 hour - I think that changing the name to DX11 is the only thing that they can do to get people interested again.

Comment by NikoBellic at 11:30am 23rd July 2008

If DX10 was so bad then people should be delighted to hear about a new version. But we're always gonna get the people who complain about new things no matter what happens.

Comment by Zhaoman at 11:23am 23rd July 2008

With the continued use of windows XP and the poor performance of DX10 games - will anyone be interested in yet another iteration?

Comment by marcgear at 11:12am 23rd July 2008

No lol, its supposed to allow more advanced lighting but nVidia cards can do most of the stuff anyway. Don't know why nVidia doesn't just slap a DX10.1 sticker on their cards as well.

Comment by Zhaoman at 11:08am 23rd July 2008

Especially as some still haven't made the jump to DX10. Those buying new cards now and eventually upgrading to Vista will not be left behind as more and more developers gear towards DX10 and onwards compatibilty only. Can I just ask what was the difference between DX10.1 and DX 10? I know it's .1 but what was all the ATi blurb? Are there any real advantages yet?

Comment by crazyceo at 11:04am 23rd July 2008

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